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Δημοσίευσηαπό Outsider » 21 Αύγ 2010, 22:47

Eh, now I'm getting confused with this pace of changes TrainOse is making! :-? First, there is again a completly new, and much improved, on-line timetable at http://www.trainose.gr/ . Second, there are new schedules and now five train pairs between Corinth - Tripoli (two common and three express trains). Is this correct? If so, when the change has taken place? I can't see any press release about new timetables; the timetable in the press release of 29-July does not have these five train pairs!

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Δημοσίευσηαπό Outsider » 20 Σεπ 2010, 12:56

An English article "Light at the end of the tunnel?" about situation with OSE in "Athens News": http://www.athensnews.gr/articles/13408 ... 2010/30650

In the same issue of "Athens News", another article about OSE debt, "Explaining the mountain of debt": http://www.athensnews.gr/articles/13408 ... 2010/30652

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Photographing railways in Greece

Δημοσίευσηαπό Outsider » 22 Οκτ 2010, 21:43

Has photographing always been forbidden in Athens railway museum? Now, already when entering the museum, the guard asked me not to take photos and there was also a placard about this in the small sideroom housing mapping instruments; I couldn't see them elsewhere.

Not strange as such that protography is not allowed in museums, just wondering that all comments I have seen previously about photographing in Athens railway museum have been about difficulty due to limited space, etc. :roll:

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The book \"Οι Ελληνικοί Σιδηρόδρομοι\"

Δημοσίευσηαπό dl » 14 Δεκ 2010, 11:24

Hello Outsider,
The book you are interested is hard to find. However in the following link
http://www.sfs.gr (library section) you can download for free the 'sidirotroxia' magazine.
In this magazine you can find a lot of articles about the present and the future of greek railways.
Hope it helps
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visit my blog: pee2227.blogspot.com

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Δημοσίευσηαπό nfotis » 19 Δεκ 2010, 17:00

A post from a mailing list and the current situation

(source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RailNewsI ... sage/21918 )

GREEK RAILWAYS

Heavy changes in 2011

The very bad financial situation of Greece is now affecting the state railways organisation OSE as well.

The Government’s orders:

The current railway network may be reduced from the existing 2500 km of lines in operation to only 750 km. All metre and narrow-gauge lines may be closed.
The number of employees may be reduced from the current level of 9350 to 6000 and the remaining staff will get heavily reduced salaries, with up to 50% lesser incomes and loose all privileges they had before.

The Railway workers union confirms:
The cuts in staff and salaries and the reduction of the rail network for 2011. There are strikes about every week against these measures, but apparently without any success. The many strikes during 2010 (over 120 days at all) brought the passenger numbers down by a double digit percentage, increasing again the heavy losses of the railway company.

What will happen from January 1, 2011 on:
The Greek newspaper „Ta Nea“ published the following official statement in its December 4, 2010 edition:

As per January 1, 2011 the following railway lines will be closed to all traffic (a few are already not operating):
Patras – Kalamata
Pirgos – Olympia
Pirgos – Katákolo
Isthmos – Lutráki (currently not operating)
Diakoftó – Kalávrita (operating irregularly only)
Kalonero – Kiparissia
Kórinthos – Kalamata (currently not opwerating between Tripoli and Zevgolatio)
Árgos – Náfplio
Patras – Rioni suburban service
Kalamata – Zevgolatio suburban service
Thessaloniki – Édessa – Aminteo – Florina
Aminteo – Kozáni
Sérres – Alexandroupoli – Pithio – Dikea – Ormenio
(for trains to Turkey no decision published for the moment; Train from Ormenio to Bulgaria currently not operating)
Thessaloniki – Idoméni (international services may remain)
Strimon – Kulata (international services may remain, currently not operating due to flood damage in Bulgaria)
Lárisa – Volos (local trains)
Paleofársalos – Kalambaka (local trains)
All remaining train operation will be transferred from OSE to the infrastructure company TRAINOSE per January 1, 2011, 00.00 hours..

The following services will continue to operate (no details about timetables and frequencies yet available):
Pireás - Athína – Kórinthos – Kiáto - Patras (Kiáto – Patras after completion of regauging to 1435 mm only)
Athína – Lianokládi – Paleofársalos – Lárisa – Plati – Thessaloníki
Thessaloníki – Serres
Athína – Lianokládi – Stylida
Athína – Lianokládi – Paleofársalos – Kalambaka
Kalambaka – Paleofársalos – Thessaloníki
Athína – Lianokládi – Paleofársalos – Lárisa – Volos
Volos – Lárisa – Plati – Thessaloníki
And the suburban services of Athína and Thessaloniki. No decision yet about the local service Athína – Inói – Halkídia
Freight services will also be maintained on the same lines as passenger services (if existing prior to January 1, 2011).

To make train services profitably fares will increase heavily. On most lines fares and supplements will increase by 90 to 100%, on the Athína – Stylida service they will increase by 210% to reach the level of intercity bus fares. Ticket prices to Patras may increase by 175%.
Discounts and free travel tickets will be abolished to all, except the fare reduction for children. International passes and tickets, like InterRail etc. will still be offered at normal prices. TRAINOSE will have the freedom to increase ticket prices even further at any time to reach profitability.

What may follow:
After a period of one year, on January 1, 2012, the Greek Government will oversee the results of these measures. Depending of the results it will then be decided if a few lines may be reactivated for tourist operation like as Diakoftó – Kalávrita and Patras – Pirgos – Olympia. Perhaps the Thessaloníki – Édessa, Lárisa – Volos and Lárisa – Kalambaka local services may be reinstated after 2012, if local authorities will be willing to pay for an eventual deficit.

On the lines closed from January 1, 2011 on no maintenance will be carried out. Buildings may be sold or rented to private people.
Lines not mentioned above, like as Paleofársalos – Volos, Volos – Milies, the Kilini branch line or the Agrinió network and others will be liquidated as soon as possibly.
High speed, high quality, low cost - select any two.

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Δημοσίευσηαπό Outsider » 22 Δεκ 2010, 17:24

I see it somewhat confusing that large parts of the Greek railways are supposed to close after about a week but there seems to be no decisions and no information for the passengers! :roll:

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Δημοσίευσηαπό Marios Mitropoulos » 22 Δεκ 2010, 17:59

Who cares about them? :roll: :bash:
Rollin´ on the tracks of time...

"Το κάθε πέρυσι και καλύτερα δεν ισχύει.
Απλά τώρα είναι το ίδιο χειρότερα...."

It is not economy I fear of, it is the so-called economists.

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Δημοσίευσηαπό nfotis » 22 Δεκ 2010, 18:22

@Outsider:
As Marios told already, passengers are treated as a nuisance by the Greek railroad and its employees...

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Δημοσίευσηαπό Outsider » 23 Δεκ 2010, 14:10

So the TRAINOSE press release about suspension of services has come out http://www.trainose.gr/en/component/con ... s-trainose albeit only in Greek. What about the infrastructure, have the decisions already been made about lines that will be put into those different categories (active, temporary closed, permanently closed, ...)?

p.s.
If Patras suburban and Katakolo-Pyrgos-Olympia services will remain open, obviously also Partas-Pyrgos line need to be open! Hope, they will use this excellent possibility to also put some nice services on that line! :wink:

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Δημοσίευσηαπό Outsider » 26 Δεκ 2010, 00:00

"nfotis":1zra3nzh έγραψε:A post from a mailing list and the current situation

(source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RailNewsI ... sage/21918 )

GREEK RAILWAYS

Heavy changes in 2011
The very bad financial situation of Greece is now affecting the state railways organisation OSE as well.

The Government’s orders:

The current railway network may be reduced from the existing 2500 km of lines in operation to only 750 km. All metre and narrow-gauge lines may be closed.

In the light of the TRAINOSE press release this information begins to look highly speculative and inaccurate: the lines Athens-Thessaloniki, Thessaloniki-Dikaia, Airport-SKA and SKA-Kiato alone make above 1250 km! After all, it seems only most of the remaining Peloponnese lines and the lines of Western Macedonia will be (temporarily?) closed.

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Δημοσίευσηαπό nfotis » 26 Δεκ 2010, 01:32

Not too surprising (after all, it was published in a newspaper, and we know very well the reliability -or lack of- Greek newspapers...)

I spent some times and made a quick-and-dirty translation of the official TRAINOSE press release, since they didn't bother to make one.

Original text (in Greek): http://trainose.gr/el/component/content ... inose.html

My translation follows:

Actions in the road to the reorganization of TRAINOSE S.A.

Athens, 23 December 2010

TRAINOSE S.A., since 2007 separate from OSE as a train operator, has an operating deficit of approximately 230 million Euros, and as a consequence at the end of 2009 it has accumulated a deficit of 700 million Euros and no capital. The TRAINOSE directors immediately after their appointment in April 2010, with the help of the Ministry for Transport etc, started a hard effort of reorganization and consolidation of the company economics, plus of the improvement of the provided services.

The major lines of this effort are shown below:
- In May 2010, the toll-free phone line of 1110 has started again operation, this time without a contractor but using existing personnel, leading to a cost reduction of 1.5 million Euros per year.
- In June of the same year, the secondary remuneration policy has changed, and combined with the austerity measures of the Ministry of Finance, the monthly cost of wages has been reduced by 2 million Euros
- In this month also, there was a move from the old HQ into the OSE building (Karolou st.), reducing the rental and operating costs by 800 thousand Euros/year
- In August 2010, the executive council has agreed to the new tariff policy of TRAINOSE in freight transport, which removed the excess discounts and exemptions, in the meantime targeting the use of full trains in order to raise the company income and to reduce the running costs by 2 million Euros per month
- In the continual process of searching for new and attractive train services, in August new routes entered the timetable, as the “Aghios Andreas – Pátra – Rio”, while in contrast very unprofitable routes like “Amýntaio-Kozáni” got cancelled. In parallel, some provocatively low tariffs were reorganized (like the Pélion train), with the total gains for TRAINOSE surpassing 150 thousand Euros per month.
- In December 2010, after a long delay, there was a launch of the electrified suburban line Liosia - Kiato, which means except that the final upgrade of the suburban railway (which connects in 86 minutes Kiato and the Airport with a single route). This translates to significantly reduced energy costs and maintenance costs of rolling stock in the network.
- Finally, recently the official website of TRAINOSE, http://www.trainose.gr became fully operational, which enables the web-ticketing, thus significantly improving the service ticketing and reducing staffing requirements.

Of course, maximum contribution to the overall project of consolidation TRAINOSE, is given by the Law 3891/2010 "Restructuring, consolidation and development of Railway Group and TRAINOSE and other provisions for the railway sector", adopted last October in the House of representatives, which provides funding for Public Service Obligations, for passenger traffic, up to 50 million Euros per year and removal of 751 employees.

These actions on an annual basis are estimated to save the company resources, which will cover about 75% of the deficit. According, however, with EU Directives and the Law 3891/2010, the TRAINOSE should be sustainable in 2011. In this effort, therefore, in order to save the remaining 55 million of the annual deficit, the Board of the TRAINOSE adopted a balanced and realistic business plan, which provides for the restructuring of extremely damaging routes and increasing ticket prices at competitive routes which so far remained very low. In the implementation of the business plan, the administration of TRAINOSE announced that in the new year from January 1, 2011, temporarily will suspend unprofitable routes of Western Macedonia, the Peloponnese, as well as international routes. Also, ticket prices will fluctuate at competitive levels with other land transport for the common trains.

The TRAINOSE intends in the next quarter to introduce new network services, which will be harmonized with the needs of the traveling public. Main points of this action is:

- The strengthening of the railway traffic with additional road that will feed the train stations of major cities. For the first time, cities such Giannitsa, Ioannina and Grevena will be connected with TRAINOSE buses to the train stations in Plati and Kalambaka. Also, Kalamata and Tripoli will connect by bus to the Kórinthos station and the Suburban Railway tapping more effectively the existing road and rail infrastructure.
- Direct access to Central Greece and Thessaly to Athens International Airport, which will ensure a simple transfer to Railway Centre Acharnon (SKA), where all trains of the Athens - Thessaloniki route will now stop and respond to the suburban trains.
- The link of the train to the port of Piraeus in the summer of 2011 and the response to maritime transport, connecting the islands of the Cyclades and Crete, the Northern and Central Greece.
- Finally, all temporarily suspended routes will be systematically evaluated and there will be examination of actions that will turn the loss-making routes to sustainable or find additional resources in order to rejoin the network. Such actions would include developing theme-oriented train passenger in target groups (eg school trips to Nafplio and Florina) and tourist routes as a religious and cultural destinations. Resources will also be sought from municipalities, regions and major industries operating in areas with the suspended services

The TRAINOSE believes that having achieved to become viable with the upgraded capabilities provided by the Law 3891/2010, a gradual and planned growth by mid-2011 will go to profitability becoming the transportation choice of the Greek citizens. In this context are announced the following changes in routeing and pricing policy, which will apply from 1 January 2011:

Temporary Suspension - Stop traffic on these routes until further notice:

- Athens-Alexandroupolis - Athens
- Thessaloniki - Florina - Thessaloniki
- Larissa - Kalambaka - Larissa
- Patra - Pyrgos - Kalamata – Patra

- Kalamata - Messini – Technical school - Kalamata
- Korinthos - Tripolis - Nafplion - Corinth
- Thessaloniki - Skopje - Beograd - Thessaloniki
- Thessaloniki - Sofia - Bucharest - Thessaloniki
- Thessaloniki - Istanbul - Thessaloniki

Changes in the Timetable Grid:

- The rapid trains are upgraded to IC and halts at stops with little traffic are removed.
IC Express (ICE) trains in route Athens - Thessaloniki will stop at Platy and SKA, the total journey time lasts 4 hours and 50 minutes.
- Will put into service two (2) pairs of trains Thessaloniki – Dikaia – Thessaloniki.
- Simplified stopping and responses on all routes.

Bus routes (proposed and where demand exists):

- Athens - Corinth (connection with Proastiakós)-Tripoli - Kalamata - Athens (without any stops)
- Platy - Giannitsa - Alexandria-Wide (response to IC and IC Express)
- Kalambaka - Grevena - Ioannina - Kalambaka (Indirect Kalambaka)
- Lamia - Karpenisi - Lamia (in response to all trains stopping at Lianokladi)

Pricing policy

- The price of ordinary trains will have competitive prices to the respective bus routes. For example the price on the route from Thessaloniki, Kalambaka from 8.90 Euros goes to 15 euros when the price for the relevant bus route is 17 euros. The Athens-Thessaloniki route will be configured similarly to 39 euros by bus.
- The prices of the Inter City trains will vary depending on the competitiveness of the line. For example the price on the route Athens - Thessaloniki, with Inter City from 36.30 euro goes to 55.20 euros and travel time of less than 5 hours.

It is stressed that the intention of TRAINOSE is to implement soon a revenue management system (yield management) that provides discounts to passengers who reserve tickets in advance (eg 20% discount for 3 days pre-sale) and help in better utilization of rolling stock. Customers who use often the train through the e-ticket and do will not burden the company with the cost of issuing the ticket. This program will provide an opportunity for passengers TRAINOSE help keep operating costs low to travel with tickets still below the current one.


I hope this will be helpful for non-Greek speaking members of the forum.

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N.F.
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Δημοσίευσηαπό Outsider » 26 Δεκ 2010, 04:04

"nfotis":3r98rqn8 έγραψε:I spent some times and made a quick-and-dirty translation of the official TRAINOSE press release, since they didn't bother to make one.

:allrightman:

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Situation with OSE and Amnizia

Δημοσίευσηαπό Outsider » 25 Ιαν 2011, 14:08

I have understood (from Greek forums) that you guys have taken the current situation with OSE also to international media and forums. Could someone please post the English (or German) material and/or links to relevant sites here in English forum.

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Δημοσίευσηαπό nfotis » 27 Ιαν 2011, 15:25

As far as I know, the situation was described in a German forum:

http://www.drehscheibe-foren.de/foren/r ... 5,page=all

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Δημοσίευσηαπό Outsider » 06 Φεβ 2011, 03:39

Wondering what is going to happen to the international trains from/to Greece. The latest press release from Trainose seems to indicate that they will remain but now I see this on TCDD webpage http://www.tcdd.gov.tr/tcdding/avrupa_ing.htm :

"(02/13/2011 (INCLUSIVE) FROM THE DATE OF DOSTLUK/FILIA EXPRESS TRAINS WILL BE CANCELED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE)"

If this is true, will the same happen to the trains to/from Sofia and Belgrad? :eh:


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